The Stupidity of Conspiracy Theories
Posted by StormWarning on 25 Mar 2006 at 10:15 am | Tagged as: Current Affairs, Opinions
Of all of the downright asinine things to deal with is the latest of the conspiracy theories that Charlie Sheen is running around spouting.
A spirited debunking of Charlie Sheen is provided by Moonage in his post, "Charlie Sheen revisits the 911 Conspiracy theory" but this is such a stupid topic, and so much press type is being consumed by it, I want to comment separately.
What the hell of these people thinking? Many of us, including myself, were getting dressed the morning of September 11, 2001 (I was watching CNBC) when the first plane hit the World Trade Center, and everyone first thought that it was a small aircraft in a horrible accident. And then it dawned on us all. It had been no small plane at all, but a 757. The fires began to rage, people began to leap to their deaths from the building, and then the second plane hit. I was shaking, as we all were shaken, as I finished dressing and drove to work. I’ll never forget the clear blue, cloudless sky that morning as I drove north, seeing a black cloud of smoke rising in the western sky only 30 miles away. Of course, we all know the rest of the litany of events. So what the hell is Charlie Sheen and others like him thinking? This is beyond wacked out Hollywood thinking as Moon writes though. It is dangerous revisionist thinking that will pollute the minds of many for years to come, and that will sully the memories of those people who perished that day.
No less than New York Magazine is running a lengthy article in its March 27th issue titled "The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll." Now, as I read this article, I think an attempt to publish an exposé of the ludicrousness of these conspiracy theories without lending any credence to them, there are way too many people like Charlie Sheen running around who for some reason unknown to what I would consider intelligent beings on Earth, believe that it either didn’t happen, or that the events of that day were somehow planned and purposely caused.
From the article:
They keep telling us 9/11 changed everything. But even in this Photoshopped age of unreliable narrators, much remains the same. The assassination of President John Kennedy, the Crime of the Last Century, occurred in plain sight, in front of thousands—yet exactly what happened remains in dispute. The Warren Commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald, fellow traveler of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, shot Kennedy with a cheap Mannlicher-Carcano rifle from a sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. The commission found that Oswald, who two days later would be murdered by nightclub owner Jack Ruby, acted alone.
Yet, as with so many such events, there is the sanctioned history and the secret history—players hidden from view. In the Kennedy murder, the involvement of shadowy organizations like the Mafia and the CIA came into question. This way of thinking came to challenge the official narrative put forth by the Warren Commission. It is not exactly clear when the grassy knoll supplanted the sixth-floor window in the popular mind-set. But now, four decades after Dallas, it is difficult to find anyone who believes Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman.
But if Oswald didn’t kill the president, who did? So 11/22 remains an open case, an open wound.
Now here we are again, contemplating the seemingly unthinkable events of September 11. An official explanation has been offered up: The nation was attacked by the forces of radical Islam led by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda jihadists. Again, this narrative has been accepted by many.
But not all…[and the article goes on for 9 full pages]
And then there is the summary list of the conspiracy theories:
The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll
The Plane Truth
9/11 conspiracy theories, from nuts to soup.
Mossad Did It
A common theory, especially in the Arab world, holds that Israel orchestrated the attacks in order to bring the U.S. into conflict with Israel’s enemies. Evidence cited ranges from the arly spurious and deeply anti-Semitic (the oft-heard, oft-refuted canard that Jews were told to leave the towers before the attacks) to the apparently true but unexplainable. (Five men who were seen filming the attacks in Liberty Park were later apprehended and found by the Forward to have ties to Mossad.)
Oilmen Did It
A theory based on the idea that worldwide oil production, having reached its peak, is beginning a long decline, leading to surging energy prices and global economic collapse. The 9/11 attacks, goes this scenario, were orchestrated by Cheney, Bush, and their friends in the oil industry and government, in order to begin a process that would secure further reserves in Iraq and increase the U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf.
Bush and Cheney Did it
The most basic of conspiracy theories. Bush and Cheney orchestrated the attacks, for much the same reason Roosevelt was sometimes said to have orchestrated Pearl Harbor: in order to begin the conflict that would allow them to realize their global ambitions.
The New World Order Did It
After winning a long struggle against the old Kissingerian pragmatists and balance-of-power devotees, neocon idealists centered at the Council on Foreign Relations initiated the conflict in order to establish the United States as the sole global power.
A Rogue Network Did It
A secret government used Bush and Cheney as patsies in carrying out the attacks. Bush was kept on the run in Air Force One (code-named “Angel”) by an anonymous call saying, “Angel is next.” Bin Laden and his henchmen were CIA plants and double agents. Britain’s MI6 intelligence service was involved. The towers were blown up from inside, by teams of secret government assassins. Even Bush and Cheney are in the dark about why the attacks took place.
Shrinks Did It
Scientologists believe that psychiatry (through a mechanism that remains murky) helped give birth to the suicide attackers “through drugs and psycho-political methods.”
As Moon pointed out, there are people who contend that no plane hit the Pentagon…when oh so many people witnessed it heading right at the Pentagon from I-395! And afterwards, even I had discussions with people who worked in the building and had luckily either not been there that morning or who had escaped.
So lets do some more debunking of these "it didn’t really happen that way" fools.
Try Popular Mechanics, 9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. Just a small amount of the article, and then you all can read the rest…"Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States."
Its not just Charlie Sheen (an actor of dubious abilities anyway) who blurt this blather. As shown by the article in the New Yorker, somehow, supposedly somewhat intelligent people (at least they are educated), ascribe to these conspiracy theories.
- Technorati Charlie Sheen, 9/11






The PM article has been debunked already,
here’s one sample
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
Comments on the PM article are interesting too
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/1694272.html
The following excerpt has been taken from David Ray Griffin’s why the official account cannot be true:
The FAA reported in a news release on Aug. 9, 2002, that it had scrambled fighters 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001, and the Calgary Herald (Oct. 13, 2001) reported that NORAD scrambled fighters 129 times in 2000. By extrapolation, we can infer that NORAD had scrambled fighters over 1000 times in the decade prior to 9/11. The claim by Popular Mechanics could be true only if in all of these cases, except for the Payne Stewart incident, the fighters were called back to base before they actually intercepted the aircraft in question. This is a most unlikely possibility, especially in light of the fact that Major Mike Snyder, a NORAD spokesperson, reportedly told the Boston Globe a few days after 9/11 that “[NORAD’S] fighters routinely intercept aircraft” (Johnson, 2001)
As to why Popular Mechanics would have published such a bad article, one clue is perhaps provided by the fact that the article’s “senior researcher” was 25-year old Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security (see Bollyn, 2005a). Another relevant fact is that this article was published shortly after a coup at this Hearst-owned magazine, in which the editor-in-chief was replaced (see Bollyn, 2005b). Young Chertoff’s debunking article has itself been effectively debunked by many genuine 9/11 researchers, such as Jim Hoffman, “Popular Mechanics’ Assault on 9/11 Truth, ” Global Outlook 10 (Spring-Summer 2005), 21-42 (which was based on Hoffman, “Popular Mechanics’ Deceptive Smear Against 9/11 Truth, ” 911Review.com, February 15, 2005 [http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html]), and Peter Meyer, “Reply to Popular Mechanics re 9/11, ” http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm. To be sure, these articles by Hoffman and Meyer, while agreeing on many points, take different approaches in response to some of the issues raised. But both articles demonstrate that Popular Mechanics owes its readers an apology for publishing such a massively flawed article on such an important subject.
Yes there is a lot of support for finding out what really happened that day.
Half of New Yorkers believe the government was complicit in 9/11 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/310804zogbypoll.htm
Following from these three features on CNN
over 32700 votes (84%) of CNN voters believe the government covered up 9/11
http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/23968.content.html
CNN first night http://www.youtube.com/v/FU-qfQEGDEg
CNN second night http://www.youtube.com/v/AhtlzpqaNUY
Other guests discuss CS http://youtube.com/watch?v=mjAHv3mxvJY
How many credible government insiders are putting their political careers on the line to say that the US government was behind 9/11?
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
-Paul Craig Roberts, Reagan Secretary of Treasury
-Air Force Colonel Donn De Grand Pre
-FBI agent Robert Wright*
-FBI translator Sibel Edmonds*
-federal prosecutor David Schippers*, the man who prosecuted the mob in Chicago and Bill Klinton
-Stanley Hilton*, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff
-German Secretary of Defense Andreas Von Buelow
-Deputy Attorney General of PA, Phillip Berg*
-Michael Meacher, British Environment Minister
-CIA analyst David MacMichael*
-Michael Springman, former head of the visa bureau in Jeddah
-Randy Glass, FBI/ATF informant
-Homeland Security Officer Mary Schneider*
-Timothy McNiven*, US Defense Department Operative
-Delmart Vreeland, CIA agent
-Morgan Reynolds, Chief Economist for the Department of Labor
-Sergeant Matthew Tartaglia, 9/11 Rescue Worker
-*Mary Schiavo, Secretary General for George Herbert Walker Bush and Bill Clinton
-*Mark Dayton, Minnesota Senator
-Van Romero, Vice President of New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
-Jude Wanniski, Reagan Advisor
-*William Rodriguez, World Trade Center Building Maintainence
-David Shayler, MI5 Agent(British Inteligence)
-Albert Turi, Cheif of Saftey, NYFD
-Dr. William Richard Deagle, M.D.
-George Galloway, British Member of Parliament
-Kevin Ryan, an Executive at Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel used in the construction of the world trade center
-Jesse Ventura, Minnesota Governor
*indicates whether they have filed a RICO lawsuit against the US Government alledging involvement in 9/11
Over 6000 people have signed the scholars for truth petition to release the large body of evidence being witheld from the government.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141667399
Can’t imagine why your own government would want such a terrible event to occur?
Watch this
http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/hijacking_catastrophe.rm
Want to view more than 200 smoking guns for 9/11 government complicity?
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
At first, when all I read was the debunking of the Popular Mechanics article, I was prepared to respond, “OK, well, PM was debunked.”
But now, after reading your entire comment, I am astounded. Actually, I can’t believe how dumb and stupid conspiracy theorists are. And you!. You actually believe that the U.S. government was behind the September 11th attacks. If you are, well, then, you need to get your eyesight checked (among other things).
Please help me understand why conspiracy theorists dumb and stupid?
I’ll chime in on that one. Because they have to believe what they are told and ignore profound amounts of real evidence in order to believe it. There is tons of evidence readily available to debunk this particular theory, here’s a little more:
http://moonagewebdream.blogs.com/moonage_political_webream/2006/03/charlie_sheen_r.html
What is lacking here is any evidence to support the theory. There’s a lot of supposition and speculation, but neither have ever proven anything to be true.
Okay, if you have evidence then explain why building 7 collapsed.
Explain why the owner Larry Silverstine is on tape saying they decided to pull it.
Explain why even though the twin towers were designed to withstand multiple jetliner impact did they collapse.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6825174698620514684&pl=t
What are you so sure of and what evidence do you have that can prove otherwise?
First of all, its Larry Silverstein.
So in your opinion, “7″ came down for insurance purposes? IIRC, “7′ was directly adjacent to the Towers and had been weakened beyond repair. But I don’t think you’ll accept that.
Where were you on September 11th? Without researching it (because I won’t), I believe that the Towers were designed to withstand “jetliners” of the time they were built (like 707’s and the fuel those carried).
See 7 World Trade Center today: A World of Light and Glass
Just a clue: you aren’t going to convince me or Moon, or a whole bunch of others who read this blog that the U.S. government was somehow behind the attacks of that day for some devious reason. So, please stop. No, we’re not closed minded…we’re simply not as I characterized the conspiracy theorists. Just like I don’t believe that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination.
You’re putting words in my mouth. The fact that Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers in Feb 02 is irrelevant to me.
Right now I’m just asking you to explain how building 7 collapsed.
You said the following:
1 - “7′ was directly adjacent to the Towers
False - here is the plan of the site which shows the correct placement of WTC 7.
A whole block away.
2 - and had been weakened beyond repair
Wrong again
building 7, 3pm
This picture was taken 2 and a half hours before the building collapsed.
The lower portion of the building is darkened from the reflection of the other smaller building across the street. The only fires are on the 7th and 12th floors and are so small they could have been put out by the office sprinkler system.
NOW - you were telling me to check my eyesight?
Am I being blind here? Does this building look ready to fall to you?
What does everyone else think?
What does everyone else think?
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I think Storm and Moon have better things to do than debunk every nutcase theory.
Now, now Spaceman, you’ve got to be “nice” to people, even if they do believe that the federal government was complicit in the attacks of September 11th…LOL
Of course, your post and mine will likely bring another challenge to prove that the government didn’t do it…my question (I know I shouldn’t ask it), is what was the motivation for the attacks?
Sorry Storm. I’ve got to cut back on the coffee (be nice, be nice).
I think you know the answer to your own question… “what was the motivation for the attacks?” Why of course it was for the benefit of big oil and Haliburton… what else?
Space…actually, my question was to those who claim that the conspiracy theory is actually reality.
I want to hear what the motivation for the Sept. 11th attacks was if the U.S. gov’t was behind them. Oil isn’t the answer to kill 3000 citizens. Sorry, I won’t even comment on the one. I want to hear the “real” answer/motivation.
But oil was one of the motivations to kill well over 3,000 people (we have no idea how many Iraqis died, I think Bush mentioned a figure of approx. 25,000, the Medical Journal “The Lancet” referred to “100,000 in a publication several months ago…at any rate more people were killed in Afghanistan (oil pipeline and poppy fields) and Iraq (oil and whatever else - it wasn’t WMD) than in the Sept. 11 attacks…human life doesn’t seem to matter that much to the military-industrial complex behind the Bush administration.